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FIA AND F1 TO STUDY HYDROGEN AS POWER FOR MOTORSPORT
REUTERS 8 DECEMBER, 2023 1 MIN READ
https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/12/08 ... otorsport/
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DoubleFart wrote: 4 months ago Hydrogen hybrids. Yeah, makes total sense to have a 210mph bomb driving around city streets.

Also, it's a horribly inefficient mode of propulsion that is far from green and 3-6x worse than direct electrification.
What makes it more of a bomb than a gasoline filled car?
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Aty wrote: 4 months ago @DoubleFart

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FIA AND F1 TO STUDY HYDROGEN AS POWER FOR MOTORSPORT
REUTERS 8 DECEMBER, 2023 1 MIN READ
https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/12/08 ... otorsport/
Here is another one:
Letter of Intent signed for direct air capture process

08/12/2023
Porsche, the state of Baden-Württemberg and the Centre for Solar Energy and Hydrogen Research Baden-Württemberg (ZSW) to jointly pursue direct air capture (DAC) technology.
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There will be no cars driving around city streets at all, much less at 210 mph. As I said, the old business model of selling cars will be collapsing incredibly fast, and (not only) German manufacturers are criminally badly prepared to face the future. All they want is government aids to keep going on like before when the whole industry is undergoing its biggest change in over 100 years. It may take more than ten years, maybe twenty, but very soon the demand for privately used cars will drop to almost zero, and only those companies will survive which understand that not cars, but selling mobility concepts is their only future.
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Don't know why you're talking about private cars when we are talking about F1.

Private cars won't go hydrogen because it makes zero sense.
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DoubleFart wrote: 4 months ago Don't know why you're talking about private cars when we are talking about F1.

Private cars won't go hydrogen because it makes zero sense.
Yeah. Mechanics aside, it would be rather tough to implement the infrastructure alone. Electric makes full sense when you can just plug into existing sockets anywhere.

The big thing going for hydrogen is the potential range. And that makes it great for hub-based freight options (road, rail, ships).
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Cited examples (F1, Porsche) were introduced as an counterclaim to earlier posts by DF that hydrogen technology has no future, all was investigated, case is closed. Well, not yet, as we see. I am hoping that direction of travel in related research might keep Gernot Döllner (Audi) interested for years to come. Future of electrical cars is not certain as market is luke warm to it, despite some impressive commuter products around the globe.
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DoubleFart wrote: 4 months ago Don't know why you're talking about private cars when we are talking about F1.
Pay attention, you even did so yourself! :haha:
DoubleFart wrote: 4 months ago Private cars won't go hydrogen because it makes zero sense.
Agreed. It's deflection strategy by the car makers, but it only deflects themselves in the end! :nuts:
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This week we should learn name of team's new sponsor. Since Sauber decided to make announcement in UK, I think it's a clue that sponsor is someone from UK. I am not sure why AAB was claiming it will be a "big" surprise.

Tease - maybe it's Toto. Sky is circulating rumor that Toto is selling his stake in Mercedes team (for BB €).
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SAUBER ANNOUNCE NAMING SPONSORSHIP DEAL WITH RICH ENERGY FOR 2024 SEASON
REUTERS 11 DECEMBER, 2023 1 MIN READ
Welcome back Rich Energy, who are most definitely not a scam or money laundering operation.
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There is no annoucement yet by Sauber. I thought plan was to do it on 15 Dec.

Well, if it is Rich Energy (and I don't know it is), I am not sure why Reuters had need to reveal it today. I am assuming AAB and Co. have done their due dilligence.

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I was joking, doing a call back to how Rich Energy state every year that they'll be back on the grid shortly.
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Aty wrote: 4 months ago There is no announcement yet by Sauber. I thought plan was to do it on 15 Dec.
It should be today (it is past midnight here now so today is the 12th December :wink:) which is said to be the day that the FIA will announce the confirmed entrants to the 2024 Championship. We know the teams but today is an announcement of how those teams will be entered and under what entrants licence (naming rights sponsor) name they will appear in race programmes. We know of two new identities, Sauber being one, with their to date secret naming rights sponsor to be released and whatever Alpha Tauri becomes. The secret seems out on their new identity being Racing Bulls as we discussed in the Alpha Tauri thread. We will know for sure later today if the FIA make their announcement as scheduled.

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@Aty I have just checked my notes and yes I did have the 10th December listd as the FIA planned date of releasing thee 2024 entry list.. I also had noted that the Alpha Tauri had announced their PR and Press Releases re their name change was set to kick into gear 5 minutes aftr the FIA notification..

Not sure how I thought it was the 12th, just my mind playing tricks with me. Mind you nothing happened on the 10th as I had first noted. Maybe the 12th was just a premonition in my head. It will make me smile if it does get released today by some coincidence!

I am sure that the second it is released it will be all over the usual websites so it is a case of "Patience is a virtue". When it happens the press and the grapevine will kick into gear and we will know then.

I have just checked the FIA official website and certainly nothing there to suggest any press releases of that nature having been released or when it will be. (They having a heading on their home page at https://www.fia.com/ for official announcements) Their latest F1 news related to the FIA Gala Awards night on Friday posted 9th December and a statement re the FIA launching a coalition against online abuse on the 11th Dec..
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 4 months ago @Aty I have just checked my notes and yes I did have the 10th December listd as the FIA planned date of releasing thee 2024 entry list.. I also had noted that the Alpha Tauri had announced their PR and Press Releases re their name change was set to kick into gear 5 minutes aftr the FIA notification..

Not sure how I thought it was the 12th, just my mind playing tricks with me. Mind you nothing happened on the 10th as I had first noted. Maybe the 12th was just a premonition in my head. It will make me smile if it does get released today by some coincidence!

I am sure that the second it is released it will be all over the usual websites so it is a case of "Patience is a virtue". When it happens the press and the grapevine will kick into gear and we will know then.

I have just checked the FIA official website and certainly nothing there to suggest any press releases of that nature having been released or when it will be. (They having a heading on their home page at https://www.fia.com/ for official announcements)
Thank you for update, EB.
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OUTSIDE LINE: BOTTAS MADE ZHOU LOOK ORDINARY
https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/12/13 ... -ordinary/
In two F1 seasons, Zhou has been no better than Giovinazzi whom he replaced
I have to admit that this is not how I was interpretting Sauber's situation. Preoccupancy with their car and overall hopelessness sidetracked my focus. After reading quoted article, it is hard for me to say who (i) would want to replace Zhou, and (ii) be better than him. Maybe he cannot be judged fairly, as bad equipment distorts his potential.
Bottas revealed: “The good thing is we do have a completely new car with some new ideas with new people in the team and that’s exactly what we need now. So, we need to make big steps over the winter. That’s the key.”
New car was born, whilst RBR sent their through car wash and they are done. All good for another season of destruction. A leading designer can make difference in this game. Sauber meanwhile has to wait about two months before they can even beggin evaluation of their new racer, nevermind improving it. We can only hope it's not as bad as the one now found in a dumpster.

Regarding drivers, I wonder if Sauber corroborates (quietly) their long range planning with Audi. My assumption is, that top tier drivers will wait at least a season or two, before they will be willing to tie their fortunes with the new team. I also wonder if Bottas with Vettel could be a good pair for 2025. I think Sainz will have contract with Ferrari, and Zhou, he could be good for business in China (well, maybe), while new blood knocking on the door.

No worries; I am sure they will find somebody for the seat fitting.

Now the new sponsor...
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