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FIA taking one step closer to full on dictatorship. Down with MBS :nuts:
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I am adding following (sorry if this has been mentioned already):
Formula 1 drivers could be suspended from racing or lose world championship points for swearing or making political statements under new rules from the sport’s governing body the FIA.
In cases involving political, religious or personal statements, the FIA regulations also specify the stewards should demand a “public apology and repudiation of comments.”

Asked about the changes, the FIA said other sports bodies including the NFL and FIFA “have similar rules/fines to protect the integrity of the sport. The FIA is not alone in fining competitors for misconduct.”
https://www.grandprix247.com/2025/01/23 ... clampdown/

These are times we live in. This is not just an idea conceived by the FiA's president. In broader setting such (of political nature) restrictions can be found these days at every level of our lives. (At least in Europe.)

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I think that this is insane, Formula 1 is a sport, if a driver wants to say something good for him. There are already laws in place in all jurisdictions dealing with libel etc, this is the result of putting someone from a country with a seriously dubious track record on freedom of speech (and freedom in general) in such a sensitive role. The other members of FIA should resist this, it's downright censorship and dictatorship
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Removing driver's championship points seems slightly more than just harsh. I am assuming the (above) quoted article is correct interpretation of FiA's intent. My vocab reserve is lacking suitable words to describe such move accurately. Oligarchy rule is de facto not new, but we didn't pay attention until now, pretended it doesn't concern us. Well, it does now. Ignore it at your peril.
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PTRACER wrote: 2 weeks ago FIA taking one step closer to full on dictatorship. Down with MBS :nuts:
When his term comes to an end they need to vote him out. If they don't, I can see the teams sugesting they will set up their own breakaway series. It wouldn't be the first time they've done it.
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Well, the drivers could fight this. They could open the first press conference by having all 20 drivers make political statements (i.e. like: "MBS is a fascist"). And then do that at the next two press conferences and then see how FIA runs a race series with 20 suspended drivers.

But, it does require unity of action, which is not the driver's strong suite.
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In reference to latest restrictions, president of FiA is not making these kind of decisions alone or just on his own, so much should be known by anyone ever remotely familiar how FiA operates. I would not eliminate possibility that this idea was actually conceived elsewhere, like "Liberty" for example, or push from some member states of the Association. We simply don't know, so why play a blame game. FiA is in mess, said purportedly Komatsu, but why it is in mess? This would not be because commercial right holder's constant interference which is trying to make FiA irrelevant and take over in full of the series? FiA for example, (I don't believe I am defending them) has established recently a permanent educational body, a professional training grounds for preparing Stewards of the Race for the job. That's more than Mosley and his buddy BE ever have done for the benefit of series. So, current leadership is trying. It's a good thing, but of course not all is well.

Replacing president? Yeah well, we seems to be heading in that direction. As mentioned in an old post on this forum, we have already no less than two candidates. It was revealed, that BE's and Toto's wifes put their names into a hat. I am not sure what makes them qualified for such responsibility, but they will have others to yell, hurray, we have all at home now, and we will have one or two countries to tell the world what to do. Long live nepotism. Don't worry darling, I and one or two babysitters, pushing from behind, will tell you what to do and what to say. It will be great.
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I'm out of comments at this point. How many more stupid rules can they come up with? This has to be one of, if not the most stupidest thing they've done.
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Who owns each Formula 1 team:

https://www.planetf1.com/features/expla ... 20billion.

It's interesting to know who owns what, however I am not so sure about numbers quoted. For example it is stated on several websites that QIA owns about 30% shares of Audi F1 team. The number is constantly repeated, yet it wasn't acknowledged in any source I know about. I am sure someone has access to business registry, and could find out. One or two Austrian sources state it is actually closer to 20%. Notwithstanding numbers, Middle East seems a significant force in the background. Starting with full ownership of Mclaren is quite a force on its own. Maybe those are people who could (demand/push for) mold the F1 closer to a sporting-line, rather than business alone.
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Yea... Team ownership:

Bahrain: 1
Italy: 1
Austria: 2
German/Austrian/UK: 1
Canadian: 1
U.S.: 2 (3 in 2026)
French: 1
German: 1

There is no UK team (UK citizens own 1/3rd of Mercedes and 1/3rd of Williams).

Probably irrelevant to this discussion, but just read the article @Aty posted.
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XcraigX wrote: 2 weeks ago I'm out of comments at this point. How many more stupid rules can they come up with? This has to be one of, if not the most stupidest thing they've done.
But hey, that ain't new! It was already so in the Mosley era, remember Prost being declined his F1 'superlicence' on the grounds that he criticized the FIA in 1993?

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Little bit of history:
The Formula 1 drivers went on strike in 1982. And won! Given the current struggle between the FIA and the drivers, can it happen again?
https://www.grandprix247.com/2025/01/27 ... ke-fia-f1/
Yes, that would be lovely. Millionaires on a strike, having nothing else and better to do.


Joking aside, the issue is non-starter. Today guys are a different breed, and they don't care about those things. They would not win this anyway, I think. FiA would not back-off. Maybe soften slightly, but directive stays.

FiA's argument: Behave as a decent person. This is a family show.
Driver's argument: I don't want to behave, and if I don't get it my way, I am going on strike. (Stamping ground profusely.)

Makes sense? I didn't think so.
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Aty wrote: 2 weeks ago Little bit of history:
The Formula 1 drivers went on strike in 1982. And won! Given the current struggle between the FIA and the drivers, can it happen again?
https://www.grandprix247.com/2025/01/27 ... ke-fia-f1/
Yes, that would be lovely. Millionaires on a strike, having nothing else and better to do.


Joking aside, the issue is non-starter. Today guys are a different breed, and they don't care about those things. They would not win this anyway, I think. FiA would not back-off. Maybe soften slightly, but directive stays.

FiA's argument: Behave as a decent person. This is a family show.
Driver's argument: I don't want to behave, and if I don't get it my way, I am going on strike. (Stamping ground profusely.)

Makes sense? I didn't think so.
It's one thing to say "You can't say the word 'shit'" because it's bad for kiddies watching.

it's another thing to say "You can't discuss human rights violations in the country we're racing in next". What exactly is the justification there? "Oh no, some first-world kids might feel bad to hear that people have been ethnically cleansed there! That'll offend their sensitive ears."

The purpose is to cover-up the sportswashing that FIA/Liberty are enabling in some countries that have diabolical human rights records. Not to protect a family show. They just bundled it together with saying naughty words.

Yeah, plenty of drivers don't care about this stuff. They just want money/drive fast. But what if someone does care? What if someone more socially-minded like a Vettel wanted to voice an opinion either at his own behest, or because a journalist asks him a question? It's one thing for him to say: "This country's human rights record is fucked - people are being killed and F1 is turning a blind eye." And it's another thing for him to say "This country's human rights record is pathetic - people are being killed and F1 is turning a blind eye."

One statement might be more offensive to sensitive eyes and ears. Both might result in fines and docking points. But both statements might be equally true substantively.
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@MonteCristo I was just, having seen Aty's post, thinking of replying with a similarly orientated reply regarding some of the atrocities that get a blind eye turned.

A good place to start might be Qatar and the thousands (yes thousands) of migrant workers that died in the creation of venues like the F1 track and particularly preparing for the World Cup. Many of those deaths were just recorded on death certificates as natural causes.
Qatari authorities have failed to investigate the deaths of thousands of migrant workers over the past decade, despite evidence of links between premature deaths and unsafe working conditions, Amnesty International said today. The organization’s new report, In the Prime of their Lives, documents how Qatar routinely issues death certificates for migrant workers without conducting adequate investigations, instead attributing deaths to “natural causes” or vaguely defined cardiac failures. These certifications – described by one leading pathologist as “meaningless” – rule out the possibility of compensation for bereaved families, many of whom......
....“When relatively young and healthy men die suddenly after working long hours in extreme heat, it raises serious questions about the safety of working conditions in Qatar.....
.....Epidemiological experts said that in a well-resourced health system, it should be possible to identify the exact cause of death in all but 1% of cases, but Amnesty’s review of data from major labour-sending countries found that the rate of unexplained migrant worker deaths in Qatar may be close to 70%.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... n-despair/

I was also going to remind you that the bad language that goes to air is totally at the wishes and control of the in house F1 broadcasters and directors. The radio transmissions are never live and always added on a delay and what we hear is carefully selected.... we dont hear anything like all of the transmissions. F1 only give us the controversial stuff that the new F1 fans like to hear, and thus it is a commercial decision to air the swearing because it i reflected in better ratings. The problem of bad language in radio chatter could be solved easily either with a censoring beep inserted to remove the offending words or simply dont air the message.

Of course the bad language in press conferences is another thing altogether but my understanding is that driver have deliberately abused in pressers in protest to the schoolboy treatment they get given.

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@MonteCristo, @Everso Biggyballies

I am not going to defend FiA to my last breath; it was just a thought. Lord knows over the years with their practices they rubbed me wrong way, however the most recent ethical restrictions resemble in delivery and content similarity with something we have elsewhere. I am very much in doubt this was an idea conceived at the top by a single person. I rather suspect there are many fingerprints on that directive, be it from Liberty, and/or member states.

In my mind this is a slippery slope. You start critique one country, then other one, and where is the point you say I had enough of politics. This is suppose to be a sport. Reading little bit of daily news, I am sure we can find a lot to say about every place we race. This is not a manageable issue on a racing grid, thus why start, regardless of revulsions one feels. Liberty has financial interest in some of those countries, and I seriously doubt they have any interest to hear from drivers what they think of it. It's cruel, unjust, but that's the world we live in. At the end anyone one on the grid can quit, become politican, and then run on his platform, if drivers feel that's the way to go.
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https://corp.formula1.com/we-race-as-one/

I'll just leave that there.
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