F1 2024 STUFF NOT WORTHY OF ITS OWN THREAD

[Aty]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Max is critical of his team, and I don't blame him.

Formula 1 Championship leader Max Verstappen said Red Bull had turned a dominant car into an undriveable monster (in 8 months) and both titles were slipping away after he struggled to sixth place at the Italian Grand Prix on Sunday.

That's the problem RB is facing. Where is the hand of miracle worker CH? Sorry for this, but I cannot help myself after CH received so many accolades for his leadership in here.

At one point Verstappen was heard on the radio sharply telling the team to stay awake.

https://www.grandprix247.com/2024/09/02 ... ster-rb20/


In an engineering meeting after Imola race Max described car characteristics to the extend which permitted engineers understanding of current car issues. Dr. Marko estimates it might take about seven weeks to execute corrective and necessary work (ready for US GP).

Max's issues at Imola:

- The Bull struggled for pace (balance, aero, tires)
- Botched pit stop made Verstappen’s life more difficult
- Power unit issue he was nursing which meant he could not use full power

Saga continues: Since Feb Ford and Horner living in fractured relationship.
https://www.grandprix.com/news/horner-f ... nship.html

[Ruslan]

So if the problem that Red Bull has gotten worse or has McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes have gotten better? How is the current Red Bull worse than the car that won the first seven poles this season and won five of the first seven races?

[DoubleFart]

I assume we can all say that Max is the greatest ever if he wins the title because he'll have done it in the 4th best car?

This is what Hamilton fans do anyway. They say 2009 he won races in the 4th best car by cherry picking a race it was shit in and ignoring performance over a season.

[Aty]

Com from the car. RB driver support is lacking? It seems so.

[Aty]

So if the problem that Red Bull has gotten worse or has McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes have gotten better? How is the current Red Bull worse than the car that won the first seven poles this season and won five of the first seven races?

Max is getting psychologically prepared to swallow hard and accept WDC as a runner up in P2.

There is no question that front teams cought up with RB. Differences are slight, just as is fact that RB's develpment stalled. Compluter generated upgrades don't do what was expected, and since the team is not allowed testing on the track, they will use races to validate new designs. Some pieces did work in recent races, others didn't. Based on Max's input at Imola in post race eng. meeting, Dr. Marko thinks there are some new theories which will be tested in next two races. Third race should be back to full force. (US GP) These are current expectations.

[DoubleFart]

For fucks sake. We just raced at Monza, not Imola.

[Ruslan]

So if the problem that Red Bull has gotten worse or has McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes have gotten better? How is the current Red Bull worse than the car that won the first seven poles this season and won five of the first seven races?

Max is getting psychologically prepared to swallow hard and accept WDC as a runner up in P2.

There is no question that front teams cought up with RB. Differences are slight, just as is fact that RB's develpment stalled. Compluter generated upgrades don't do what was expected, and since the team is not allowed testing on the track, they will use races to validate new designs. Some pieces did work in recent races, others didn't. Based on Max's input at Imola in post race eng. meeting, Dr. Marko thinks there are some new theories which will be tested in next two races. Third race should be back to full force. (US GP) These are current expectations.

Clearly Red Bull is losing the development war. The stunning turnaround is McLaren, who was really not quite there last year. Ferrari looked like it was the first team to turn the corner and then was surpassed by McLaren and then Mercedes. One wonders what Red Bull’s development problem is: 1) Did they simply stop trying, 2) Adrian Newey checked out (he is not the only engineer on the team), or 3) has the Red Bull simply reached the end of its development cycle with this car concept and there is nothing more they can do, whereas the McLarens and Mercedes and possibly Ferraris continue to improve. Marko is a lawyer, not an engineer. We shall see if Red Bull is back in three races.

Anyhow the real story of this season is the various development strategies, but I doubt I will ever see a proper explanation of what happened.

[Aty]

So if the problem that Red Bull has gotten worse or has McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes have gotten better? How is the current Red Bull worse than the car that won the first seven poles this season and won five of the first seven races?

Max is getting psychologically prepared to swallow hard and accept WDC as a runner up in P2.

There is no question that front teams cought up with RB. Differences are slight, just as is fact that RB's develpment stalled. Compluter generated upgrades don't do what was expected, and since the team is not allowed testing on the track, they will use races to validate new designs. Some pieces did work in recent races, others didn't. Based on Max's input at Imola in post race eng. meeting, Dr. Marko thinks there are some new theories which will be tested in next two races. Third race should be back to full force. (US GP) These are current expectations.

Clearly Red Bull is losing the development war. The stunning turnaround is McLaren, who was really not quite there last year. Ferrari looked like it was the first team to turn the corner and then was surpassed by McLaren and then Mercedes. One wonders what Red Bull’s development problem is: 1) Did they simply stop trying, 2) Adrian Newey checked out (he is not the only engineer on the team), or 3) has the Red Bull simply reached the end of its development cycle with this car concept and there is nothing more they can do, whereas the McLarens and Mercedes and possibly Ferraris continue to improve. Marko is a lawyer, not an engineer. We shall see if Red Bull is back in three races.

Anyhow the real story of this season is the various development strategies, but I doubt I will ever see a proper explanation of what happened.

[Aty]

F1 team bosses voice support for latest radical race idea
A radical F1 idea involving a sprint race for rookie drivers is believed to be under serious consideration.

Good idea?

I am not sure as a fan I need to see it. Probably not. Moreover, it will be "fun" after a rookie will end up in the wall and his team will have two hours to fix the car and bleed their limited budget. To add insult to the injury, if a critical element of the car will need replacement, FiA in their infinite wisdom will move my favorite driver 10 places back on the starting grid for that "crime".

A rookie driver needs practice in the F1 car proper, no doubt about it, but why not allowing some training for them after main race? (Monday is good.) Rookie and a team driver can test on that occassion new development.

Well, running rookie-race can justify rising ticket prices, whereas doing right thing and allow the team to stay a day longer at the track is not financially profitable, so they will not do it.

[MonteCristo]

F1 team bosses voice support for latest radical race idea
A radical F1 idea involving a sprint race for rookie drivers is believed to be under serious consideration.

Good idea?

I am not sure as a fan I need to see it. Probably not. Moreover, it will be "fun" after a rookie will end up in the wall and his team will have two hours to fix the car and bleed their limited budget. To add insult to the injury, if a critical element of the car will need replacement, FiA in their infinite wisdom will move my favorite driver 10 places back on the starting grid for that "crime".

A rookie driver needs practice in the F1 car proper, no doubt about it, but why not allowing some training for them after main race? (Monday is good.) Rookie and a team driver can test on that occassion new development.

Well, running rookie-race can justify rising ticket prices, whereas doing right thing and allow the team to stay a day longer at the track is not financially profitable, so they will not do it.

I know! They can bring back the spare car!

[Aty]

Noted:

Are Red Bull running its employees away?

Nico Rosberg senses another problem at Red Bull. On Sky, he explains: "A Zak Brown at McLaren also said they have never received so many application letters from a team as Red Bull right now."

https://www.formel1.de/news/news/2024-0 ... f382203bfa

[Aty]

Aston Martin denies Alonso's Valkyrie broke down

This week, the Silverstone based Formula 1 team and its carmaker parent proudly boasted that two-time champion Alonso received delivery of his custom multi-million dollar 'Valkyrie' hypercar - a true F1 car for the road. The Spaniard, according to the press release, drove his new Adrian Newey-designed machine out of the iconic Monte Carlo Bay Hotel.

But in the hours before the announcement hit journalists' inboxes, residents and visitors in the Principality also spotted the Alonso-branded car apparently broken down - and then being hauled away on the back of a tow-truck.

Nice start.

[Aty]

As a remainder, October issue of BusinessF1 is out.

https://businessf1magazine.com/october- ... tal-issue/

A few articles caught my eye:

1. Sainz in signing for Wiliiams committed a mistake of his life. (I agree.)
2. CH internal saga follow up - just a few words. (Highest working standards weren't met.) It is a different story from one we were told.
3. Bratches predicts sport right values will be lower in streaming future.
4. Liberty issue more funny money...

...and much more.

[Aty]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... aIVqIeZnfr

Audi team remains a project in progress and incomplete, but good news is, Mattia Binotto is hungry and eager to get back into the game. I have to admit I am not sure what JV brings to the table. That's only because I don't know much about him. Mattia is the one we all waiting for. From upgrading facilities to fielding demonstratively a better car. We will gladly forget current humiliation.

More here:
https://www.grandprix247.com/2024/09/07 ... di-sauber/

Mattia explains responsibilities. He seems happy that he will have someone to lean on during distant races.

How long will it take for Audi to be a winning force in F1? Binotto reckoned: “It’s something we are debating internally to make sure we are setting the right goals and objectives, but if you look at the past experience in F1 and all the winning team opening cycles, it took at least five to seven years to set it up.

Wow. Forget 2027... I was expecting something else. Obviously the chief was informed, yet Mattia still holds on his job.

[Aty]

Uncommon knowledge:

Sauber is not yet Audi. The 100 percent takeover will not take place until the 1st. January 2025. But then the team will still drive under the banner of Sauber for another year, because the heart of a Ferrari engine beats in the rear of the car for a last season.

Early this year (March?) it was not total takeover of the team by Audi, as media reported, and in an error I've repeated. Contractual agreement for total ownership was reached, that much is true, however complete actual physical takeover of Sauber by Audi will be 2025-01-01. (per AMuS)

More here:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/audi- ... 20Germany.

PU update:

https://www.racecar-engineering.com/art ... velopment/

[Everso Biggyballies]

FIA declares all 2024 wings legal after clarification sought on McLaren, Mercedes designs

Intrigue over McLaren and Mercedes front wings has risen from onboard footage at Monza
The FIA has released a statement declaring that all 2024 Formula 1 front wings are currently legal and have shown to be compliant with the governing body's tests.

Following the Italian Grand Prix, it became apparent that Ferrari and Red Bull wanted greater investigations into the legality of the McLaren and Mercedes front wings. This came after onboard footage showed a greater degree of motion within the wing designs over the weekend.

Since the Belgian round of the championship, the FIA has been monitoring the movement of front wings with cameras to determine if the current flex tests are fit for purpose and need revising. It has been adamant that this has been a data-gathering exercise, rather than an inquest into teams that may require punitive measures for their designs.

FIA Statement
"The FIA is examining front wings at every event with numerous checks (conformity of surfaces, conformity of deflections) with respect to the relevant F1 Technical Regulation. All front wings are currently compliant with the 2024 regulations.

"Since the Belgium Grand Prix, the FIA has acquired additional data during FP1 and FP2 sessions to assess dynamic behaviours through an FIA-mandated video camera which captures areas of the front wing which are not visible through the official FOM cameras.

"This exercise will continue at least up until Singapore to ensure every team will have been running the mandated FIA camera on different types of tracks (low, medium, high and very high downforce).

"This will ensure a large database allowing the FIA to draw the most objective picture of the situation and quantify differences between the various dynamic patterns observed on track."

It adds that "no component is infinitely stiff" and this sets the provision for a small amount of flex under a given load. The rules state that "any part of the trailing edge of any front wing flap may deflect no more than 5mm, when measured along the loading axis, when a 60N point load is applied normal to the flap," per Article 3.15.5 in the 2024 technical regulations.

The FIA added that "the front wing has been a challenging area throughout the years, because the aerodynamic loading patterns between different competitors varies and it is therefore difficult to find a load vector which will cover all types of front wing construction.

"Other areas of the car – including rear wing and floor edges – have much more consistent aerodynamic loading patterns across the grid, making for a more universal load-deflection test.

"The FIA has the right to introduce new tests if irregularities are suspected. There are no plans for any short-term measures, but we are evaluating the situation with the medium and long-term in mind."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-d ... /10650881/