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Not the best of signs for the ongoing tenure of Mr Horner. I wonder if in the circumstances Red Bull will instruct Horner to stand aside until the outcome in known. Clearly those privy to the findings to date will be in a better position of knowing whether his situation is tenable and how strong Horner's case of denial is against whatever the context of the allegations might be..

Clearly it is seems it is not going to be something that can just be. swept under the carpet with a "Nothing to see here."

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It is problematic situation for more people than just two employees. Quoted nature of the issue usually requires corroboration from peers. Others will have to either sink a colleague (nothing happened), or sink their boss and continue working for him should he survive.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 months ago Not the best of signs for the ongoing tenure of Mr Horner. I wonder if in the circumstances Red Bull will instruct Horner to stand aside until the outcome in known. Clearly those privy to the findings to date will be in a better position of knowing whether his situation is tenable and how strong Horner's case of denial is against whatever the context of the allegations might be..

Clearly it is seems it is not going to be something that can just be. swept under the carpet with a "Nothing to see here."
Still don't know what the "crime" was. Now, I can't believe that there are that many female employees in a management position in Red Bull in the UK that the F1 press cannot figure out who it is (hard to believe that they already do not know) and talk to her friends and associates and find out what this is actually all about.

It is clear that there are two different narratives (Christian Horner's and the female employee's) and they are going to have to sort through it all. As I gather it is a work place incident, then there are probably a few witnesses and probably some email accounts that need to be gone through. It may take a few weeks to sort out. The big question is this "inappropriate" as in sexual or "inappropriate" as in Horner was being as a real jerk of a boss. He can survive the latter.
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It seems Christian Horner is like a limpet, he's going to cling on and on and on and will only be moved with a huge amount of force. He clearly doesn't believe he did anything wrong at all, but 'recollections may vary' it would appear, as our late Queen once said.

I don't know if we'll ever hear the full facts and I can't see how Christian Horner will ever be looked at in the same way in the future. Can he hang on? It very much depends what he is supposed to have done and how much leverage they have against him. It will be interesting to see if he's still there at the car launch next week and then later on at the first race.
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Aty wrote: 2 months ago Internet is reporting 8 hrs long meeting (some say interrogation, others call it conversation), and they could not conclude it. Look like they had really good time, and decided to do it all over again next week.
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In re: RBR
Latest rumor - Liberty got also involved. We might not wait much longer for resolution. (One way or the other.) No one wants publicity of that kind, when speculations running rampant.
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Fantastic, RBR
We heard about process dragging it's feet for weeks, and now we are hearing the lawyer went on vacation. :haha:
Ralf Bach, the correspondent for Auto Bild, says the lawyer has now gone on vacation – with the outcome of his investigation currently unknown. The saga is tipped to drag on well past the launch of Red Bull’s 2024 car this week and probably also the start of pre-season testing.
And Mateschitz, Dr Helmut Marko and even the Verstappen camp are tipped to want Horner out – potentially to be replaced by Red Bull GmbH co-CEO Oliver Mintzlaff.
We against them? This "theory" cannot be best start of the season. I am surprised how often I am hearing rumor of this kind. Some in media are trying to turn the mess as a fight for power between Dr. Marko and Horner and nothing more than that. I doubt that, despite possibility that some disagreements between those two surely have taken place. That's normal at any place.

Hard to say where is the end of this, but is is useful to remember that Horner is NOT owning the team, and forget the story about evil Marko and saint Horner. Long term perspective is needed.

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And Mateschitz, Dr Helmut Marko and even the Verstappen camp are tipped to want Horner out – potentially to be replaced by Red Bull GmbH co-CEO Oliver Mintzlaff.
Hard to take it seriously when it appears that they've been using a ouija board to find opinions.
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So, haven't been following this BS, but what was the outcome?
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The investigation is not concluded. Media are trying to convince rest of us that it's just uncomplicated power struggle between evil and good (saint Horner). Nothing to see here.

Someone in media seems to have a source on the inside, which facilitated revelation that the private meeting (last Friday) with a barrister run on almost whole day. (I take it several hours.) Not too many people know what was really discussed.
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Michael Ferner wrote: 2 months ago So, haven't been following this BS, but what was the outcome?
Like any good soap opera, its dragging into a second and maybe third episode. Episode 1 was just a teaser, with the main comment being "No Comment" with no resolution and not even a hint that episode 2 will be the end. Red Bull reiterated they are still taking it "extremely seriously." But it still seems Horner will be presiding over the new car launch tomorrow. Question time will be fun. :haha:

The BBC described it thus:
A hearing into allegations of inappropriate and controlling behaviour against Christian Horner has finished without resolution.

The Red Bull team boss was quizzed on Friday by a lawyer for several hours on charges that relate to his behaviour towards a female employee.

A spokesperson for Red Bull said: "It would not be appropriate to comment before the investigation is completed."

Horner has denied the claims to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, external.

It is unclear whether the matter will be resolved before Red Bull's 2024 launch at their Milton Keynes factory on 15 February, where their new car is set to be unveiled.

Red Bull are still planning for the event to go ahead.

The investigation into Horner could take weeks, and there are even questions as to whether it will be completed in time for the start of the season.

Pre-season testing takes place in Bahrain from 21-23 February. The first race of the season, also in the Gulf state, is on 1-3 March.

The Horner question will inevitably overshadow Red Bull's launch. Even if Horner is there, he is unlikely to be able to able to answer questions about it, but it will be a focus of attention in enquiries towards him and drivers Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez.

The controversy is taking place against a backdrop of reports of splits and tension within Red Bull, among them claims that motorsport adviser Helmut Marko and Jos Verstappen, the father of Red Bull's three-time world champion Max, have taken against Horner.

Red Bull, Marko and (J)Verstappen have so far been silent on all such matters :suspicious: :wink: .
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In other words, a big fat Nothingburger. No suprise there.
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Michael Ferner wrote: 2 months ago In other words, a big fat Nothingburger. No suprise there.
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Bernie should shut up.

There is an investigation. Nothing proven. Innocent until proven guilty. Ok, according to some media, he is guilty. They want him to "hang". In particular british media.
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erwin greven wrote: 2 months ago Bernie should shut up.

There is an investigation. Nothing proven. Innocent until proven guilty. Ok, according to some media, he is guilty. They want him to "hang". In particular british media.
Those two are (were?) friends. Horner asked last week BE for an advice how to handle this case. It is possible BE knows more than rest of us.
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Aty wrote: 2 months ago
Michael Ferner wrote: 2 months ago In other words, a big fat Nothingburger. No suprise there.
That is FAKE News according to Bernie

That was a German media hatchet job of quotes turned into saying something he didnt actually say ..... all taken it seems out of context . Bernie has already corrected the fact on social media


Bernie Ecclestone refutes report of Christian Horner advice

Earlier on Wednesday, former F1 chairman Bernie Ecclestone responded to rumours in the German media that, having learned the facts behind the investigation, he had advised Horner to resign or step down from his role.

But Ecclestone took to social media to deny the story.

In a post reshared by wife Fabiana, the FIA Vice-President for Sport, Ecclestone denied he had passed any advice on to Horner: “To clarify reports by newspapers that I had urged or suggested that Christian Horner should step down from his position in Red Bull is entirely UNTRUE.”

Red Bull have again confirmed Horner is presiding over the online car launch with just the two drivers present are the reports I read.
He was already seen acting in the capacity of CEO at the media day when the car ran laps at Silverstone a couple of days ago.
The live-streamed show revealing the RB20 will feature Horner in his capacity as Red Bull Racing CEO and team boss, as well as the race drivers Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez.

The launch show for Red Bull’s RB20 can be viewed on the team’s social media channels from 19:30 UK time.

While Horner continues to keep up his Red Bull duties while the investigation is ongoing, no timeline as to an outcome has yet been communicated by Red Bull GmbH.

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