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Bottom post of the previous page:

Hehehe but 2014 Nico got 11, Lewis only 8 and Massa got 1 pole lap

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Isn't Massa's pole where both Mercs threw themselves off the track?

I can think of one instance in three seasons where Max has crashed on a Quali lap. Lewis definitely has two in that time, three if you count his in lap at Sochi. The wall gave him no space man!
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Y 2008 in retrospect.

Jean Todt:
“Maybe we (the FIA) could have been tougher when the story came out. There is no doubt that the Singapore Grand Prix was rigged and should have been cancelled,” the Frenchman maintained.
https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/12/07 ... as-rigged/

An assertion of this kind begs a question, namely, if this happened once, how many other cases occurred and were blotted up by BE, MM, and people like those two?

Regardless of polemics, and despite my feelings of sorry for Massa, this is a "can of worms" that cannot be open if we want to preserve our collective sanity.
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Aty wrote: 4 months ago Y 2008 in retrospect.

Jean Todt:
“Maybe we (the FIA) could have been tougher when the story came out. There is no doubt that the Singapore Grand Prix was rigged and should have been cancelled,” the Frenchman maintained.
https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/12/07 ... as-rigged/

An assertion of this kind begs a question, namely, if this happened once, how many other cases occurred and were blotted up by BE, MM, and people like those two?

Regardless of polemics, and despite my feelings of sorry for Massa, this is a "can of worms" that cannot be open if we want to preserve our collective sanity.
I haven't commented much on this story but I find it embarrassing. Massa lost that championship by himself and they are never going to overturn the result 15 years later. I think it's a bit "ugh" if he thinks winning a championship that way is good.
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PTRACER wrote: 4 months ago
Aty wrote: 4 months ago Y 2008 in retrospect.

Jean Todt:
“Maybe we (the FIA) could have been tougher when the story came out. There is no doubt that the Singapore Grand Prix was rigged and should have been cancelled,” the Frenchman maintained.
https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/12/07 ... as-rigged/

An assertion of this kind begs a question, namely, if this happened once, how many other cases occurred and were blotted up by BE, MM, and people like those two?

Regardless of polemics, and despite my feelings of sorry for Massa, this is a "can of worms" that cannot be open if we want to preserve our collective sanity.
I haven't commented much on this story but I find it embarrassing. Massa lost that championship by himself and they are never going to overturn the result 15 years later. I think it's a bit "ugh" if he thinks winning a championship that way is good.
I think Massa is seeking (delayed) justice, however for practical reasons he might be better off to forget this page of his life.
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I've been seeing bits and pieces about this in the media. I didn't really fully understand why Toto and Susie Wolff were being investigated, and nor do they, but apparently it's all over now. It was a storm in a teacup to some degree, but what it has managed to do is unite all the teams in F1. I know, we never saw that coming did we?

Here is the story about it that explains it way better than I can. It does seem like things haven't been good at the FIA since Jean Todt stepped down and we got Mohammed Ben Sulayem in charge instead.
It hasn't been a great last few years for the relationship between Formula 1 and its governing body, the FIA. From passive-aggressive remarks to not being on the same page about key matters, diplomacy has suffered since Mohammed Ben Sulayem replaced Jean Todt in late 2021. The latest scandal surrounding a surprise FIA investigation involving Toto and Susie Wolff—and its sudden squashing of it—is amplifying this animosity to new levels.

It all started when the FIA was allegedly tipped off by a report in the Business F1 magazine, and issued a press release Tuesday announcing an investigation into a leak of confidential information. Specifically, the information in question was said to have been divulged "to an F1 team principal from a member of FOM personnel." More specifically, it accused Susie of sharing sensitive F1 (FOM) information with her husband Toto, an F1 team principal.

According to F1 CEO Stefano Domenicali and most F1 team bosses, they were all blindsided by the announcement and quickly moved to denounce it. Susie, who has held many roles within F1 and currently reports to Domenicali as F1 Academy managing director, promptly issued a statement claiming the FIA's behavior was "intimidatory and misogynistic," adding that she was "deeply insulted and sadly surprised" by the allegations.

Within hours of Wolff's statement, F1 teams began a campaign in support of the influential couple, claiming to not have any involvement in the alleged reporting of wrongdoing to the FIA. By the end of Wednesday, all 10 F1 teams had joined in solidarity in ways that frankly have never been seen before.

The F1 teams' collective agreement and the industry's support for the Wolffs put enormous pressure on the FIA who was already struggling to justify the suspicious investigation. It even struggled to identify the source of the rumor that triggered the events, claiming it was a Motorsport.com report involving Toto, while many outlets pointed back to the Business F1 magazine.

Less than 48 hours after announcing the investigation, the FIA moved to drop the whole deal, claiming that it was satisfied no conflicts of interest were taking place between FOM personnel and a team principal. Just like that, it all went away. Well, specifically, the FIA said this:

"Following a review of Formula One Management's F1 Code of Conduct and F1 Conflict of Interest Policy and confirmation that appropriate protective measures are in place to mitigate any potential conflicts, the FIA is satisfied that FOM's compliance management system is robust enough to prevent any unauthorized disclosure of confidential information. The FIA can confirm that there is no ongoing investigation in terms of ethical or disciplinary inquiries involving any individual. As the regulator, the FIA has a duty to maintain the integrity of global motorsport. The FIA reaffirms its commitment to integrity and fairness."

The original investigation seemed sketchy at best, but the backpedaling of it speaks volumes to the tension between the FIA and Formula 1. In a sport that's already lacking transparency and fair marshaling, and appears to be torn between its commercial rights holder and its governing body, this latest snafu shows that all is not well.
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We heard you (Aty and many others) and we responded:
Revealed: The FIA's radical plan for lighter and shorter cars in 2026

The new generation of F1 cars will be introduced in 2026. The cars will be smaller, lighter and more agile, as explained by Single Seater Director at the FIA, Nicolas Tombazis.
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Reflecting on the season in an interview with DAZN, Stella said “My top three drivers with the same cars would be Max Verstappen, Lando Norris and Fernando Alonso.”
Missing in his litany: Hamilton, Russell, Leclerc, Perez, Sainz...naming a few drivers. I wonder if such question - name the best - actually serves to any purpose (other than making a few chaps miserable). Choice of Alonso is really an odd one.
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Well we all know Red Bull won pretty much everything in sight. They put up a picture of all their trophies in 2023, so here it is:


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Star wrote: 4 months ago Well we all know Red Bull won pretty much everything in sight. They put up a picture of all their trophies in 2023, so here it is:


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An article about Anderstorp, a filming day with RBR and David Coulthard, it's F1 heritage, and its future which is, guess what, under threat from people complaining about the noise. And guess what, this is a quote from a complaint:
– Ibland låter det så tandborstarna skakar i tandborstglasen. Men man stänger fönstren, lär sig ignorera, säger hon medan ljudet från banan hörs som en bisvärm som flyger nära.

Hon medger att hon visste att banan fanns där när de flyttade dit.
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- Sometimes it sounds like the toothbrushes are shaking in the toothbrush glass. But you close the windows, learn to ignore, she says while the sound from the track is heard like a swarm of bees flying close by.

She admits she knew the track was there when they moved there.
So she willingly moved there. And has the audacity to be surprised to what she knew was there. Sigh. :nuts:
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People like that make me angry too, why move there if you knew it was going to be annoying?
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Where is the full list of registrants for F1-2024 season? I was under impression that 15th Dec was a deadline when FiA must publish who is racing next season.
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Brian Redman: "Mr. Fangio, how do you come so fast?" "More throttle, less brakes...."
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No surprises then. I am not on any social platforms, and in FiA news this was not posted there.
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Aty wrote: 4 months ago No surprises then. I am not on any social platforms, and in FiA news this was not posted there.
The surprise is that Scuderia AlphaTauri as a name remains, albeit with the addition of the letters RB..... and not the much suggested name change to "Racing Bulls"

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