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GP247 - Audi is quitting (again rumor)
Amid a rumour that Audi are about to abandon their Formula 1 project, word is if that does indeed happen Porsche may step into the fold again.

And it seems Herr. Döllner may just have other ideas on racing. Rumours have flown that Audi will renege on its F1 plans after all. Even if Ingolstadt’s propaganda machine was quick to try to pour cold water on it all. “The media coverage is a rumour and absolutely untrue,” a PR suit insisted this week. “Audi’s Formula 1 plan remains unchanged.”
Propaganda machine? It's called PR department in here.

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Review of the project cost is apparently underway (per Spiegel): D/T 2023-10-26 17:27 (CEST)
REPORT: AUDI REVIEWING FORMULA 1 PROJECT
https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/10/26 ... 1-project/

Review seems a legitimate and prudent financial decision. It doesn't follow, they are cancelling the project. That decision of that kind depends on result of the review. One doesn't need to be an economist to realize, that a lot has changed lately.

I would understand if they stand down from the project. Would I be disappointed? No, I would not be; how anyone can be angry over wise fiscal management. Now we wait.

Fiscally (another rumor) Audi's exit would cost VW ca Billion. It appears life is not so simple anymore.
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D/T 2023-10-31 09:25 (CET)

Another opinion...
Audi F1 exit rumours false
27 October at 10:09
Rumours have been circulating for some time that Audi will pull the plug on its 2026 project. This would mean that the famous German car brand would not enter. Despite the rumours, however, Audi seems to be continuing full steam ahead with the F1 project
https://racingnews365.com/audi-f1-exit- ... 20project.

Article suggests internal struggle in leadership ranks whether it should be Porsche entry into F1, and not Audi. For people like me doubts of this kind generate righ level of mental stress, but nothing serious.
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In other news... no one knows!
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D/T 2023-11-04 10:24 (CET)

Team's comments...
Alessandro Alunni Bravi, Team Representative: “We saw from the morning that qualifying would be a difficult session. The gap between the top 15 cars was less than a second, and you could calculate the difference between making it through Q1 and falling out in an order of thousandths of a second.
As painful fact, it poses rather challenge to team's leaders - what now? How do you overcome? What needs to change?

- Drivers might not be top shelve, but they are best Sauber can have at the moment.
- Moving on, tires? They all are using the same source.

What's left?

- Strategy.
- PU
- Chassis
- Aero

For balance of this season work and focus on (darring?) strategy might be probably the most effective area for any gains.
Second, don't crash the car.

Over winter I don't envy time spent on analyses that awaits them in determination what went wrong, while burning proverbial midnight oil. It's not going to be easy. At the end it might be just simple recognition that nearest rival teams have done slightly better job, yet enough to push us down. Really down. So, what's the answer before Audi shows up? Simple (yeah, easy said) - strong continuous improvement.

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D/T 2023-11-06 08:47 (CET)

Brasil:
Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake suffered the cruellest of heartbreaks as Valtteri Bottas and Zhou Guanyu both retired from the Brazilian Grand Prix while in contention for the points. Both cars were sidelined with technical issues, nullifying a good team performance.
Alessandro Alunni Bravi, Team Representative: “We’re really disappointed today..."
I am also REALLY disappointed, if it helps. That's when I thought it cannot get any worse. Surprise!

I hope someone informed Andreas that voices on the roof suggest the team should be handing their spot on the grid to Andretti.
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D/T 2023-11-07 07:36 (CET)
Audi are strongly committed to Formula 1 but have kept a low profile because of future partner Sauber’s current relationship with Alfa Romeo, team representative Alessandro Alunni Bravi said.
https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/11/07 ... ent-to-f1/

AAB should know what's in the pipes down the road, so, no worries about other rumors.
“This commitment comes from a decision not only of the board of Audi but also the advisory board of Audi and the Supervisory Board of Audi/Volkswagen. So it’s a group decision and the commitment is there.
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AAB comments on the season past (for those speaking German).
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... erview-f1/

The article leaves me with impression that the team Alfa/Sauber has identified already a few issues related to low performance this season. Whether countermeasures they are implementing will propel them into a better place next year remains to be seen. Current design has reached its limits. Last year performance was explained in plain language - we were that "good", because others were in trouble with their equipment, which is not a case this year.

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Work in progress.

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Ahhh, the car with the five zeroes... four on the nose, and one behind the wheel!

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Michael Ferner wrote: 5 months ago Ahhh, the car with the five zeroes... four on the nose, and one behind the wheel!

:rofl:
Any idea who are potential candidates? I know, it's still far away, but I need names to beat boredom. Neel Jani (39) is on a development rig, but both drivers should make simulator sing already in 2025.
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I hear the name Carlos Sainz very often in connection with Audi, who will be in F1 for something like fifteen years then, or in other words: as long as Stewart and Scheckter combined, but with less success than each within any month of their respective careers. Good job on securing a pensioner's job for the driver, less so for a team looking for glory.
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I would invite Seb to run simulator in 2025.

For commercial reasons I would talk to Zhou Guanyu about 2026. Besides, he is not Max, but no one else is either, and ZG is not a bad driver.

Audi needs to support some names in F3.

Mick - not sure...
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No Audi logos anywhere on the car until 2026 and a new naming rights sponsor has been signed to replace Alfa Romeo,for the next two years already. But ita secret until the 10th December when the FIA release the official 2024 F1 Entry list.

It came up in the Abu Dhabi GP thread and is all fully explained there in this post linked: viewtopic.php?p=457143#p457143

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AUDI PLAN “A BIG BANG IN 2026” FOR F1 ENTRY WITH SAUBER
https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/12/02 ... th-sauber/

Little lesson in marketing strategy. Audi is not going to dilute its entry planned for 2026 by being (too often) in the news prematurely.

Regarding 2024/2025:
“I want to reiterate they are not two transition years,” insisted Bravi. “They are two years that are part of a long-term project that needs to bring the team to the next level,” added Bravi.


I am thankful for assurances that entry into F1 racing is supported at highest management levels. This article is basically reiteration of strategy discussed in AMuS about two weeks ago. The Sauber/Alfa team makes every effort for the time be to stand on their own rather than hiding behind iconic brand's name.

Other: whilst RBR doesn't need a new car in 2024 (the old one is good enough to make rivals cry), Sauber will have all new car. Good one? Well, we see.
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I've paid so little attention to F1 this year I don't know what's even happening.

I just read Alfa Romeo is parting ways with Sauber. Can someone summarise very briefly what's happening and when?
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PTRACER wrote: 4 months ago I've paid so little attention to F1 this year I don't know what's even happening.

I just read Alfa Romeo is parting ways with Sauber. Can someone summarise very briefly what's happening and when?
I did an update about Alfa branding in F1 a couple of days ago here viewtopic.php?t=15870&start=1350#p457588

Probably would have made more sense to put it in this thread. In fact I willt copy it into here. see below :wink:

As to what is happening to Sauber next year look at post #163 a few post up on this page. There is a summary and a link there to the fuller story.

Anyway here is the copies thread explaining the Alfa brand plans for the future. Basically not F1. Sauber already have a new naming rights sponsor in place to replace Alfa for 2024 and 2025 after which they become Audi or whatever. (That identity will be known on 12 th December when the official 2024 entry list is released by the FIA.


Copy of post I mentioned above.
Everso Biggyballies wrote: 4 months ago I cant remeber what thread this (Alfa brand continuing in F1) was discussed in, and cant find it in the Alfa Audi thread. We were talking about the future of Alfa Romeo as a brand name in F1. @Double Fart reminded us of the Haas branding exercise suggested earlier in the year, and more recently I had also read that was to go ahead.....

Well Alfa to Haas as an engine brand partner (Ferrari engines branded Alfa Romeo) seemed like it was progressing.Until today.
Today Alfa have said no thy will not be in F1 at all for the forseeable future..... To be honest anyone getting on board with Haas is not a partnership destined for success. Unkind but true. An article in Autosport today relays the latest news from Alfa management on its continuance in Motorsport and it seems F1 is not part of it.

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Alfa Romeo focused on WEC switch after ruling out staying in F1

Alfa Romeo says its focus is on a move to the World Endurance Championship, after ruling out having any more involvement in Formula 1 for now.

Alfa's title sponsorship deal with the Sauber team came to an end at last weekend’s Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, following a successful six years together.

And while Alfa Romeo was linked with a possible tie-up with Haas instead, and did speak to Haas, negotiations never got very far.

Now, Alfa Romeo CEO Jean-Philippe Imparato has explained that, with his company determined to remain in motorsport, a move to WEC is now the most likely route.

Asked about the Haas situation and why things did not progress, Imparato said: “We weren't interested in aiming to do a copy/paste operation in the style of the one done with Sauber.

“It would have led us to become one of those who puts stickers on bodywork. It would no longer have been new and we wouldn't have been part of a story.

“We started looking at something else, quickly reaching a conclusion. Alfa Romeo has nothing to do with the world of rallying, the Stellantis group already has two brands involved in Formula E, and so the focus has shifted to the WEC, a world in which Alfa Romeo has lived in the past wonderful experiences."

Imparato has explained that no final decision has been made about how Alfa Romeo would make its step into WEC though, as it was currently evaluating the most cost-efficient way of doing it.

Clearly Alfa want to be more than a stickers on a car paying someone elses bills and want something of their own. F1 is not viable for an auto manufacturer the size of Alfa without some Group support and we all know how difficult, costly and flawed the F1 process is. WEC as we have seen from the explosion of manufacturer interest and participation seems all together easier and whilst not of the same profile as F1 is on an extreme upwards trajectory as the new Hypercar /LMDh categories take off in both the US and Word wide.

I look forward to seeing the Alfa Brand return to top level Sports Car racing. Its where they should be, despite their early 1950's F1domination.

The Tip 33 series of the early 1970's were beautiful to look at and listen to. Eargasm stuff. :haha:

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Dont overlook that with Stelantis (who now own Alfa) also own Peugeot and a joint operation or co-operation could be valid and of mutual interest. Oh I forgot they do own Maserati now as well! Own is probably the wrong word. Fiat Chrysler have moved them all under their Stellantis Operating Group. (Alfa and Maserati havent changed hands and Stellantis bought Peugeot a few years ago.)

@erwin greven.Perhaps this becomes now more of a Sports Car thread topic, but Im I am sure we will soon see the Alfa Brand in someway back in the top class of WEC.
From the Alfa boss more on their Sportscar thoughts
“The WEC world is experiencing a moment of great interest, and when there is a lot of euphoria it becomes difficult to understand what level of investment is necessary to aim for the highest goals,” he said.

“We saw in 2015 [in LMP1] that uncontrolled cost escalation ultimately rebounds, so we took some time to understand how this will all play out.

“I believe it is correct to have a clear picture and know precisely what you are facing before launching into a project."

One possibility could be to tie-up with Peugeot, which is part of the same Stellantis group.

“Obviously it's one of the scenarios we evaluated,” added Imparato

“There are already houses within the Stellantis group whose sports programmes are in close contact, for example DS and Maserati in Formula E.

“When we return to the track we will do so with the support of Stellantis' motorsport projects, and as Peugeot is already present in the WEC obviously co-operation is more than possible. Then perhaps the two projects may have parallel paths in other aspects, but in the end we are in the same family.

“However, I would like to clarify that at the moment we are not yet able to confirm anything. We will do so when we have completed the planning and evaluation of the investment".
Obviously their (Alfa) demise as an F1 identity has been driven by Audi taking over Sauber and the very badge engineering method Alfa ran latterly in F1, but they have many more options to have a more real involvement in Motor Sports with Sports cars. I would rather the Alfa brand be in Sportscars than out of F1 and no motorsport at all. Motorsport fits with thir heritage :thumbsup:

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