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Bottom post of the previous page:

Internet: Brazil

Max will need change of PU, and consequently he will be dropped on the starting grid.
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New appointments at Sauber.

https://www.sauber-group.com/corporate/ ... il/test-19

https://racingnews365.com/sauber-poach- ... -reshuffle

I am not sure that I understand anymore who is responsible for what. Bravi's name is not mentioned in any of those announcements. For 2025 season his current job has been fragmented, and given to two or three new hires. AAB is definitely a smart man; it will be pity to drop him (I think).

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With Max taking an engine penalty in Brazil, can somebody remind me how the penalty system works? Is it no penalty in the sprint, but it is in the race, or it is taken in the sprint?
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Apparently Fernando Alonso is still not entirely well but he will compete this weekend after treatment back in Europe. Sounds like he's had a nasty infection, bless him.
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DoubleFart wrote: 1 week ago With Max taking an engine penalty in Brazil, can somebody remind me how the penalty system works? Is it no penalty in the sprint, but it is in the race, or it is taken in the sprint?
I am not certain, but I think the penalty is taken in the race, not the sprint. Others may be more certain of course.
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That's what you get when you let old men compete in F1. My grandfather also always complained about intestinal infections! Especially when he forgot his medication...
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DoubleFart wrote: 1 week ago With Max taking an engine penalty in Brazil, can somebody remind me how the penalty system works? Is it no penalty in the sprint, but it is in the race, or it is taken in the sprint?
Just for the main race not the Sprint. I did a bit of an update on the penalty at the end of the race prview thread

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Renault, Honda fined by FIA for budget cap breaches
Red Bull engine supplier Honda's fine is the highest - $600,000 plus administrative costs. The FIA insisted there is no evidence the Japanese manufacturer gained or sought to gain any advantage from the inaccurate exclusions or adjustments of certain costs.

The FIA added that Honda was actually below the 2023 cost cap, and guilty only of failing to file accurate reporting documentation about things like dyno maintenance.

Renault-Alpine's fine is even lower - $400,000 - having also actually spent less than the cap but found to have omitted relevant information from its filings.
https://www.grandprix.com/news/renault- ... aches.html

Unbelievable how some organisations making money these days.
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Max had to deal with profanities expressed during a broadcasted interview. Would anyone know what's the deal with Leclerc?

Jos said following:
He (Jos) even pointed out what appears to be clearly inconsistent standards in the fact that while he was punished by the FIA for saying f*ck in a recent press conference, Charles Leclerc went unpunished for an identical discretion after the Mexican GP.
This came up during an interview about (alledged) FiA bias. Mohammed bin Sulayem of course denied anything of this kind.


Inherent bias one can detect in the series is as old as the series itself, and it seems plenty of people got comfortable with it. What is bias for one, it's justice for someone else. What to do about it? Find better leaders, that would be my suggestion.
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Scipio is also not really found of Jos. For me he is just Max's father and everything what goes with it. Apropos, did Charles got away with something Max has not? This question of essence ultimately decides whether Jos was stating facts, or making things up.
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That f-word again...
FIA explains why Verstappen and Leclerc received different F-word punishments
The FIA has outlined why Charles Leclerc escaped with a fine for swearing in an official press conference and Max Verstappen did not.
Formula 1 stewards fined Ferrari’s Charles Leclerc 10,000 euros ($10,834.00), with half the sum suspended, for swearing in a post-race press conference at the Mexico City Grand Prix last Sunday.
https://racingnews365.com/fia-explains- ... the-f-word

He got almost nothing in terms of punishment becuse he looked sad after crime he had committed, that is when he dropped the f-word.


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Report on RB income is out. Dr. Marko received €8.5 M in 2023. (No shares in the team.) I am not sure what kind of coverage he has on business expenses. Regardless of that, Helmut will retire one day in comfort. So much is certain.

Horner I think received around €10.7 M. (No shares.)

Wolff in contrast has slightly lower sallary than Helmut, but as a shareholder in the team he pocketed with dividents over €30 M (2023).
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WCC standing: 3 races to go.

1 - McLaren Mercedes 593 points
2 - Ferrari 557
3 - Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT 544
4 - Mercedes 382

Max will probably win the WDC, but his team standing in P3 in WCC will almost certainly upset a few people who pay team's bills. Ferrari just might pull off that P2 place unless Sergio will rise from ashes. Without Max one can only guess how the WCC would look like for RB.
I am not sure if Mclaren is in P1 because they built a better car, or they are in reality very close to RB, and it was actually Perez who help them to jump over.

WCC is maybe the only thing to watch in last races this season. Russell is now 2 points ahead of Hamilton, but after so many years of having an exceptional PU, Mercedes really felt of the cliff. Realistically fight for the crown is just among top three.

Not easy guess how this ends, but I think it will end as it is now. Sergio is not going to change, and Ferrari drivers will keep it in the P2. Fred's team is not ready for P1 this year.
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Apparently Audi have sold a majority share of Sauber to Qatari investors and will basically be a badge.

Seems odd, but exactly what I expect.

Source is shit though, so who knows.
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Audi - news
Frisches Geld fürs Audi Formel-1-Team

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... aatsfonds/

Qatar wants to buy shares in the Audi team. However, this should only be a minority stake. Marketable value of the team would increase. It is said that even small teams like Haas could be sold for +Bill. (Just an estimate; they aren't on the market.)
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Aty wrote: 3 days ago Audi - news
Qatar wants to buy shares in the Audi team. However, this should only be a minority stake. Marketable value of the team would increase. It is said that even small teams like Haas could be sold for +Bill. (Just an estimate; they aren't on the market.)
Yeah it has been doing the rounds for a few days..... Joe Saward mentioned a while ago. it some suggest it might not be a minority thing and a major investment.

Bottom line is the team has cost in the region of 600/650 million, plus the cost of the engine plant additional. (That alone is said to be an additional 9 figure (100 mill) cost.

All at a time when Audi are having a bad time commercially, and the VW group they depend on is currently in a huge cost reduction restructuring. Many Audi and VW manufacturing plants are being closed and tens of thousands of jobs aaxed. Embarking on a F1 programme and the costs involved is at best not seen by shareholders as a priority at such times. Plus the PR disaster that comes with so many jobs being axed and peoples lives disrupted whilst the company embarks on a costly and unesseccary PR junket in the reality lacking world of F1.

Not a good time ahead. Selling a part of the company is perhaps just a way of offsetting costs and being able to say it is also custing the VW/Audi investment in F1. Qatar of course are already major investors and shareholders in the whole VW Group.

Audi will need to retain a majority stake though.....Retaining a majority stake would keep Audi in control and is unlikely to impact the branding of the team. This is consistent with the Qatar Investment Authority’s strategy of diversifying into various non-domestic organisations (such as the VW Group. Qatar are already aside from any Audi investment well into F1 investment....through the long-term Qatar GP deal and Qatar Airways’ title sponsorship. It has been linked with a potential bid for F1’s commercial rights at various points in the last couple of years, too.

Qatar gets a low-responsibility and potential high-yield F1 investment, attached to a prestigious brand, as well as a different route into F1. .

@Mods / @PTRACER maybe these recent Audi posts should be moved from this "not worthy of its own thread" discussion into the already existing Sauber /Audi thread. here: viewtopic.php?t=17760
It will become an issue not fitting the odd bits of news the thread was created to cover. Just a thought.

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